Sunday, October 16, 2011

More possibilities on Jean Baptiste Houle's Wife?

Est-ce que qq'un du groupe pourrait transcrire en anglais , moi c'est impossible.

Sendeder ressemble à Scheinder donc j'ai trouvé:
Jean-Baptiste Houl ( feu Jean et Marie Bissonette)
JUDITH Scheinder ( Jean-Baptiste Scheinder et Marguerite Riel )
le 25-11-1822 St-Philippe,Laprairie.
source Ancestry, page 176
On m'a souvent dit que Honore était souvent Henry, donc ce couple a eu un fils Henry le 23-12-1828 St-Philippe,Laprairie
source Ancestry, page 204

J'ai gardé les 2 actes ,s'il est intéressé.
alors qui fait la transcription.

Francine Germain

Sended like Scheinder so I found:
Jean-Baptiste Houle (late John and Mary Bissonette)
JUDITH Scheinder (Jean-Baptiste and Marguerite Riel Scheinder)
on 25-11-1822 St-Philippe, Laprairie.
source Ancestry, page 176


We have the mariage of Honoré HOULE et Félicité MIRON on January 6 1852 at Cooperville, New York. He is the son of Jean-Baptiste HOULE & Angélique CHENADE.

How can we translate CHENADE in french. This name does not exist?


Posted by: Patrick Harrington Date: March 19, 2002 at 16:42:37
In Reply to: Batise/Jean-Baptiste Houl mrd. Marie Rabideau by Nancy of 871

Jean-Baptiste Houle & Marie Robidoux are also my g-g-grandparents. Jean-Baptiste married Marie on October 25, 1849 at St. Joseph Catholic Church in Cooperville, Clinton Co. NY. Marie was the widow of Francois-Xavier Jodoin.

His parents were Jean-Baptiste Houle & Angelique (or Judith)? Chenade(?). Her parents were Antoine Robidoux & Marie Pinsonneau.

In the 1850, 1860, 1870 & 1880 censuses they are found in Mooers Forks, Clinton Co. NY. Records are difficult to decipher probably due to the difficulty for American census takers to accurately understand the French-Canadian names. “Houle” is spelled many different ways in various records.

Some time between 1880 and 1888, the family moved to Elmwood Township, Tuscola County, Michigan near the village of Gagetown. I think Jean-Baptiste died October 14, 1888. Marie died June 27, 1895 in Tuscola County MI.

By the time they are in Michigan, the family name stabilized with the anglicized spelling of “Hool.” You may email me directly at if you need more details.

Patrick Harrington

1860 United States Federal Census about Henry Honl
Name: Henry Honl
[Henry Houle]
Age in 1860: 33
Birth Year: abt 1827
Birthplace: Canada
Home in 1860: Mooers, Clinton, New York
Gender: Male
Post Office: Mooers Forks
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Houl 33 b. 1827 Canada; Laborer **
Julia Houl 24 b. 1836 Canada
Henry Houl 7 b. 1853 Canada **
Julia Houl 3 b. 1857 Canada
Joseph Houl 1 b. 1859 Canada

and then here is Henry in 1880:

1880 United States Federal Census about Henery Hool
Name: Henery Hool
Home in 1880: Altona, Clinton, New York
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Victoria Hool
Father's birthplace: Canada
Mother's birthplace: Canada
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Drives Team
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members:
Name Age
Henery Hool 27 b. 1853 NY, parents b. Canada
Victoria Hool 25 b. 1855 Canada, par b. Canada
Franklin Hool 5 b. 1875 NY
Henery Hool 1 b. 1879 NY
Albert Hool 2m b. 1880 NY

So, this is probably Honore, Sr. (Henry) in 1850:

1850 United States Federal Census about Henry Wool
Name: Henry Wool
[Henry Houle]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Birth Place: Canada
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Mooers, Clinton, New York
Family Number: 2348
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wool 50 b. 1800 Canada **
Judie Wool 45 b. 1805 Can
Angelique Wool 23 b. 1827 Can
Henry Wool 21 b. 1829 Can **
Flavia Wool 20 b. 1830 Can
Tuffield Wool 18 b. 1832 Can
Joseph Wool 16 b. 1834 Can
Aurilla Wool 14 b. 1836 Can
Amab Wool 12 b. 1838 Can
Napoleon Wool 9 b. 1841 Can

And here is the family in 1860:

1860 United States Federal Census about Amable Houle
Name: Amable Houle
Age in 1860: 22
Birth Year: abt 1838
Birthplace: Canada
Home in 1860: Mooers, Clinton, New York
Gender: Female
Post Office: Mooers Forks
Household Members:
Name Age
Julia Houle 55 b. 1805 Canada
Julia Houle 32 b. 1828 Can
Joseph Houle 26 b. 1834 Can
Amable Houle 22 b. 1838 Can
Paul Houle 19 b. 1841 Can

I may have finally found baptisms for some of these kids from Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 :

Joseph Houlle, b. 17 Apr 1834 St-Édouard (Napierville County), Quebec, son of Jean-Baptiste & Judith Choreder? -godparents- Joseph Bissonet & Marguerite Robert

Aurelie Houlle, b. 29 Feb 1836 St-Édouard (Napierville County), Quebec, daughter of Jean & Angelique Chenaut? -godparents- Ignace Houlle & Marie Anne ?

Amable Houlle, b. 23 Feb 1838 St-Édouard (Napierville County), Quebec, son of Jean & Judith Chenalde? -godparents- Amable Gagne & Marguerite Boyer

Napoleon Houlle, b. 21 Apr 1841 St-Édouard (Napierville County), Quebec, son of Jean & Judith Chenider -godparents- Barthlemi Pinel & Charlotte & Charlotte Marstelle -- This is the most legible parish record so far, so I'm more confident that Judith's last name is Chenider.

Here is a possible marriage for you:

Jean-Baptiste Houle (Jean & Marie Dissonnet?)
m. 25 Nov 1822 St-Philippe (Laprairie County), Quebec
Judith Schneider (Jean-Baptiste & Marguerite Riel)

I found more children for them in St-Philippe:

Henri Houl, b. 22 Dec 1828 St-Philippe (Laprairie County), Quebec, son of Jean & Judith Schneider. -godparents- Henri Schneider & Marie Bizaillon. This could be your Henry.

This is probably the next marriage in the line:

Jean-Baptiste Houle, age 25 (Joseph & Angelique Bauche)
m. 11 Sep 1797 St-Philippe (Laprairie County), Quebec
Marie Louise Bisonnette, age 20 (Joseph & Charlotte Chaquete)

They had a son, Jean-Baptiste Houle, b. 7 Dec 1798 St-Philippe (Laprairie County), Quebec, son of Jean-Baptiste & Marie Louise Bisonnet -godparents- Joseph Bissonnet & Charlotte Choquet, his wife. Often the grandparents were the godparents of the first born child.

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